Moving On

Over the past fortnight we’ve seen (at least) two major debates blow up on social media , one about doctrine and the other about practice resulting from public statements made by prominent Christians.

The general structure of those debates tends to follow the following lines:

  1. There is an initial emotive reaction – this might be positive, negative or both at the same time.
  2. This is followed by some people attempting a thoughtful critique of the issues involved
  3. More debate and discussion follows. Those who critique and disagree with the original statement are sometimes accused of being churlish, pedantic, unloving. In turn, the supporters are told they are naïve (sometimes both of those charges have a level of truth – but not always).
  4. Somewhere along the line the message goes out that we are meant to shut up and move on. This particularly comes from those who wanted to be generous.

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Are you on the same field of play?

Mike Ovey used to draw a triangle on the whiteboard, he would label each side as follows:  No denial of unity, no denial of distinction, no denial of unity. Stray over any of the lines and you are outside of the “field of play” when you come to the Trinitarian orthodoxy.

David Peterson used to do something similar when it came to  the question of male amd female leadership roles to take account of those passages that talk in terms of male elders and women not exercising teaching authority over men (1 Tim 2-3) and those that clearly show women speaking and being involved in leadership (1 Cor 11, Romans 16).  He explained that within the boundaries is the field of play, space for discussion and learning from one another.  Continue reading

The Father and the Son – navigating a minefield in the Eternal Subordination debate

Here are some of the specific challenges that those negotiating the debate about how The Son relates to the Father have to negotiate: Continue reading

The Father and the Son – what are some of the challenges

As a follow up to yesterday’s post on  “Does the Son submit to the Father?” I thought it might be worth highlighting some of the challenges, including minefields to navigate when conversations/questions like this come up. Continue reading

Does the Son submit to the Father … or are people who say that heretics?

I was going to write something about this earlier in the year but didn’t because events overtook. My intention was to review Mike Ovey’s book “Your will be done” which was published shortly before his untimely death earlier this year. Continue reading